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Liverpool 5-1 Spurs: Three Tottenham Talking Points

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1. A New The Same Old Low

Our ongoing rotten form throws up an interesting linguistic challenge, because as each fresh shower of absolute tripe is unleashed upon our eyes, I’m tempted to mutter something to the effect that we have plumbed fresh new depths. It seems the appropriate thing to say, accompanied perhaps by a weary sigh and general drooping of the soul.

The thing is, though, we haven’t plumbed new depths. That is to say, these depths aren’t actually new. Rock bottom? Absolutely. An embarrassment to the club? Without doubt. But plumbing new depths? Well there I politely clear the throat, raise an objecting forefinger and point out that while we reached our lowest ebb probably about six months ago, we just keep revisiting the same dashed ebb over and over, on a weekly basis. We repeatedly plumb the same depth. It’s the lowest of the low, but it’s been the same one for weeks. These finer points in life matter.

Anyway, yesterday’s rot was every inch as bad as we all anticipated. As my Spurs-supporting chum Mark put it to me before kick-off, “What is even the point of this game?” The other lot had some meaning attached to this – and I noted with a few eyerolls and impatient clicks of the tongue that the assorted commentary mob couldn’t contain their joy at that particular narrative playing out – but our heroes, true to form, seemed to resent being there, dash it.  

Now admittedly I don’t speak entirely without bias, but I’m inclined to suggest that we fans are entitled to approach each fixture with increasing apathy. Feeding, as we do, off whatever fare is served up for us on the pitch, most kind-hearted bystanders would understand the weary shrug with which matchday is now greeted. The sentiment mentioned above, of poor old Mark, would be appreciated.

For the players, however, to down tools and give up on things when initial pleasantries have only just been exchanged absolutely stinks the place out. The problem at this stage is that these apathetic sleepwalks have become the norm. A few months back the management gang might have taken one look at that performance and locked them in the changing room for a good couple of hours, spewing some bile and quite possibly flinging one or two blunt instruments about the place.

Now, however, this level of dross is just the norm. Unless it’s the Europa, whichever eleven is selected will mooch about the place with all the quiet solemnity of a team of pallbearers, and patiently wait for the other lot to do as they please before slinking off quietly at the end.

2. The Brief Light of Hope

Oddly enough, our heroes actually began things with a spot of buck and vim yesterday. Maddison, to his credit, seemed to take seriously the whole armband business, and for the opening ten or so minutes appeared determined to leave his mark on proceedings with some contribution or other.

Solanke too appeared rather taken by the prospect of a few rounds with van Dijk. When he popped up with his goal I doubt that any lilywhite in their right mind expected that it would last, but it at least gave our lot something to cling onto. Some defensive discipline, I caught myself thinking, and a bit of grit and whatnot, and we might make an event of this.

Looking back, I can see the futility of that particular thought process. I’m not sure I’ve ever witnessed a Spurs side display defensive discipline, or grit, in the last four decades, so there wasn’t much reason to expect we’d suddenly unearth it yesterday, but there we were. One early goal, and the light of hope flickered away like the dickens.

Naturally, it all fell apart pretty swiftly, but as ever it was the manner of the collapse that irked. I suppose one might point out that for several of the goals (and near misses) we did at least have healthy numbers stationed about the place. That at least reflects a degree of willing amongst the cast members.

But by golly they were a directionless rabble. Looking suspiciously like they’d never undertaken a defensive drill in their lives, and also raising the question of whether they’d ever actually met each other before, they crashed about it into each other and spun on their axes a few times, and generally scurried this way and that to precisely zero effect.

Liverpool passed around them whenever they felt the urge, and if they felt particularly perky they even popped the ball into the net, so that they could go back and start again from a different angle. It all bore a lot of similarity to those lows of previous weeks.

The whole process was so numbing that I can barely muster the energy to prattle on about how, somehow, the players do seem capable of raising themselves for Europa games, and how these appalling league performances are therefore all the more galling to drink in.

Given that the standard surges upwards a few notches for the Europa games, Our Glorious Leader is squandering chance after chance to stock up on some goodwill in these league games. A bit of the old We’ll-Fight-For-This-If-It’s-The-Last-Thing-We-Do might not necessarily have stopped Liverpool winning yesterday, but it would have gone down well with the paying public. “Bested though we were,” the patrons might have remarked on the way home, “that Liverpool bunch at least knew they were in a scrap”.

Instead, as with just about every other League game since early autumn, down we went with little more than an apologetic shrug and a stifled yawn. Ben Davies waved his arms. Djed Spence tried a shot from 40 yards. Brennan Johnson was, apparently, there. Ange’s repeated inability to get a tune out of this lot week after week does currently suggest that a life-size cardboard cut-out of him would fare just as well. Europa trophy or not, he’s currently managing himself out of the job.

3. A Musing or Two on Archie Gray

I’m tempted to pack up the writing materials, pour myself a bourbon and stare aimlessly into the mid-distance until Thursday night. One point of note did dolefully emerge above the rest of the dirge, however. The starting XI included the intriguing sight of young Archie Gray in midfield.

Now of course, the young bean won us all over pre-Christmas by taking the plunge – or, rather being shoved in without much say in the matter – in central defence, and there he did one heck of a job. One of those thoughtful eggs, it turned out, who does his defending by reading the game and quietly inserting himself in appropriate stations, rather than crashing about the place with Romero-esque lunacy, AANP took rather a shine to him, and I was not in a minority.

Buoyed by the earnest young fellow’s performances at the base of defence, much excited chatter followed about how he might therefore fare when in his preferred position, in midfield.

As it happens, I was – and remain – a little dubious about the prospect of Gray midfielding away. The way I see it, he is no midfield enforcer, having already demonstrated at centre-back that he prefers the subtly timed interception to the crunching tackle. Neat and tidy he undoubtedly is in possession, but as we already have approximately umpteen of those exact models beetling about the place, I’d actually prefer he stays at centre-back, where he can mop up defensively and then distribute with a spot of vision and technique. We have numerous problems in midfield, but Archie Gray does not really strike me as the solution.

Anyway, yesterday he was given 45 minutes in midfield, and while half a game is nowhere near enough to pass judgement on a young man making his way in life in a new position, this was nevertheless the dampest of squibs.

Put bluntly, I don’t actually recall Gray even being present amongst the rabble. I recall Liverpool slicing straight through us at will, typically in those precise positions that Gray was presumably tasked with patrolling, but of Gray himself I remember precious little. A midfield terrier who prowled and snapped, yesterday he most definitely was not. I don’t particularly remember him contributing in possession either. In fact, if it weren’t for the pre-match graphic stating emphatically that he was amongst those present, I wouldn’t have believed he played at all.

To repeat, half a match in a new role is no amount of time to judge a chap. To hammer home this particular point, I cast the mind back to Bergvall, who for his first half-dozen or so Europa appearances gave every indication of floundering wildly, before finding his feet to such an extent that he is now first choice. Gray, therefore, has plenty of time on his side to ease himself into things. For now, however, we presumably revert back to Bentancur on Thursday night.

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18 replies on “Liverpool 5-1 Spurs: Three Tottenham Talking Points”

Well said Old Bean. I’m afraid that for far too many of my 55 years of following the Lilywhites much of what you have said has been entirely applicable. With the odd exception (England and Beal, Roberts and Millar, Mabbut and Gough and Alderweirald and Vertongan) the defence has been porous, leadership absent and a willingness to risk life and limb for the cause singularly absent. What is most annoying about the current version is the weekly deja vu – the same goals conceded, the same mistakes made and the apparent absence of coaching or effort. Supporters who would play for nothing (if they could) just want to see players giving of their best and busting a gut in doing so and it is these absences that hurt most.

Worst team dynamics I’ve ever seen, they don’t know what they’re doing. I’d be amazed if we nail it Thursday but they managed it against Frankfurt so not all lost yet.

I’m sure most fans are feeling this way, but it’s getting very hard to feel any affection for most of the players in this team when they play with absolutely no heart, desire, passion or leadership. Granted, they all checked out weeks ago when it came to the Premier League, and with all the changes made for the Liverpool match, leaving us with Davies and Danso at the back, and with Gray getting his first start at DCM alongside Bergvall, which is probably the youngest CM pairing in the PL, against the best team in the country who were playing for the title, I wasn’t exactly expecting much.

There didn’t seem to be any tactical reasons for this particular line up. Not that Ange ever picks a team with the opposition in mind, but there were things he could have done, even with this line up, that would have made us more solid, and I think that’s what annoys me the most, as a lot of teams with supposedly inferior players (obv. not counting Liverpool in that) beat us by negating our one-dimensional tactics and exploiting our weaknesses, whereas we faff around trying to break the opposition press, and are then incredibly wasteful on the occasions that we manage to do it.

The biggest one is the full-back area. In the first leg of the Carabao Cup semi final, Salah was barely given a kick by Spence, playing as an inverted LB. As Salah likes to cut inside onto his left foot, he was moving towards Spence’s stronger right foot. With Gakpo and Diaz interchanging and trying to cut inside on the opposite flank, swapping both full backs over would have massively negated the threat, as they would have been forced to cross the ball more from out wide with no obvious target in the middle. Both full backs, when swapped over, would then have naturally gravitated infield when in possession, or when the ball was on the opposite side to them, evening up the numbers in CM and sometimes giving us an overload, making it a lot more difficult to play through us, which they did so easily that it was embarrassing to watch.

With Liverpool being a high-intensity pressing team, and with us missing our better footballers at CB, Vicario could have been encouraged to go long a bit more, and let Solanke battle with the CBs. Instead, we had our hearts in our mouths for the entire 90 minutes as he nearly gifted them multiple clear-cut opportunities from suicide ‘passes’ in dangerous areas. Again, avoidable.

I don’t blame Ange for putting all of his eggs in one basket, as the other baskets are now completely broken. I get that he wants his players to be at peak fitness for the EL, and that some of them need to be protected after the injuries that they have had this season. But he didn’t need to throw Gray into the lions den after ignoring him once most of the squad had returned to full fitness. Him and Bergvall were up against 3 world-class CMs! Bissouma would have given us more physicality, if not discipline, and won’t be starting on Thursday so could have played alongside Gray, and Maddison could have been protected for Thursday with Bergvall higher up the pitch, with his extra athleticism compared to Maddison giving us an extra body in the middle of the park to match up with them. All easily doable…

I don’t see one leader in this team/squad. The leadership group has a captain that has struggled on the pitch this season, and vice captains that are either injured, not fit enough to play the full 90, or want to leave. And the goalkeeper, despite being passionate and vocal and an amazing shot stopper, does nothing but spread panic with his wayward distribution when pressed, and has an obvious discomfort with the aerial side of the game. Lack of leadership, along with lack of tactics, especially to negate the opposition, is on the manager.

Although I’ve just done it, there isn’t much point in analysing the league matches right now as the players are not performing at 100%. I’d be surprised if we won another game this season, and I’d be surprised if we weren’t 17th after the full 38 games. What’s also surprising is that the season ticket renewal deadline is May 27th, which is after the Europa League final. If we don’t win the competition, things look pretty bleak for next season.

Anyway, I’ll end this on a hopeful note. We are two games away from a European final against a team that, if we play well, we should beat, even with their plastic pitch. We have no form to speak of, and no momentum going into the game, but hopefully the players are at it from minute one, we use the crowd, which is always great on European nights, and we can get a good lead going into the second leg.

COYS

Agree with all of that (the leadership stuff in particular – although when did we last have a genuine leader?)
Had forgotten about the job Spence did on Salah, pretty obvious trick missed there. And I too did wonder why Bissouma wasn’t carted out for this one – I know he’s persona non grata and on his way out, but since he’s still on the payroll this was the time to get some use out of him.

When AANP talks about plumbing the same old depths I really wonder if that’s so – in the deep seas that we find ourselves no one really knows where we are – there are still cliffs to fall off even at what appears to be the bottom. The only redeeming feature at Anfield was the goal and seeing Solanke plant a great header from a well directed corner was a huge surprise. One can only assume that Postecoglou’s only words to the team before kick-off were ‘save yourselves for Thursday night’. Earlier on in the day he had let Archie Gray know he was starting – you can imagine the conversation:
AP: ‘How you feeling Andy?’
AG: ‘I’m Archie gaffer’
AP: ‘Sorry mate we should talk more. We need to give Rodrigo a good rest so I’m starting you as our DM at Liverpool, OK?’
AG: ‘ Sure gaffer, you know I love to play, but I don’t have much experience in midfield especially against the best midfielders in the EPL’
AP: ‘Don’t worry mate, there’s nothing at stake and you’re only getting 45 anyway’

Who knows? With just a Norwegian team to beat in the semi, and the possibility of a United every bit as feeble as Spurs in the final, we MIGHT even end the season with a trophy, but the idea that there’ll be any glory involved is frankly risible.
We’ve so far scraped past the spear-carriers of some of the more obscure European leagues, and have faced no one with a pedigree remotely comparable to teams we faced (and often beat) in the days of the UEFA Cup, AC Milan, Bayern Munich, Ajax, and Real Madrid being just some of our opponents in the good old days.
We’re currently a second-rate club, with a third-rate coach, so winning a fourth-rate trophy is probably about par for this particular course.

I think we are underrating the Europa, and would be a lot more enthusiastic about it if we were more enthusiastic in general about the club. It’s only been won four times by Premier League teams this century so it’s far from a given. Clubs in the competition this year like Lazio, Roma, Frankfurt, Lyon, Ajax, Galatasaray, Anderlecht & Porto are not cannon fodder and would all love to have made the semi.

Well, two of the clubs you list have previously won the EC, but not for 50 years in Ajax’s case, and 20 in Porto’s, the remainder hardly being significant scorer-troublers, any more than Spurs have in recent decades.
My four can boast 30-odd EC/CLs between them, and the point is that only the actual champions competed in the EC, and the EL was at least theoretically strengthened by the CL dropouts, whereas it now consists only of the upper mid-table finishers of every league under the sun, and can produce a last four made-up of one OK Spanish club, two of the worst teams in the PL, and a dark horse from a league never previously represented this far into a European competition. Was the Intertoto Cup any more of a dog’s breakfast than the EL in this year’s format? Not in my opinion, at least, and I’ll be cringing with embarrassment if we DO win the thing, and have an open-top parade to confirm how far we’ve fallen under Levy/ENIC.

Should have said that the UEFA Cup when we won it in ’72 and ’84 consisted of all the best clubs bar the actual champions, and was significantly more star-studded than today’s EL, the strength of which is demonstrated all too clearly by the presence of ourselves and United in the semis. Finished now!

Last time we won (84) we beat Hajduk Split in the semi, and Austria Wien in the quarters – I don’t think there was any downplaying the achievement back then whoever the opponent was. Different times I guess.

In 1983 and 1984 we finished in the top 4 and winning the UEFA cup was a fair reflection of the quality of our team at the time. If we somehow manage to win the Europa Cup this season I would suggest that it would not be a true reflection of our current teams quality. I somehow feel that I wont be taking any solace from winning a cup this season, or appearing in the Champions league next season as a result.

It will provide more revenue for the club though albeit Levy probably won’t spend it where it’s needed.

As a non Spurs fan, I really enjoy reading your reports. My own motley crew have been in your predicament many times before but without the carrot of a European trophy within grasp and a CL spot to boot so I can relate to a degree. I’m pretty sure most of us up north would prefer Spurs to lift the cup rather than the unpalatable prospect of a rodent looking captain looking smug as confetti rains down.

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