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Forest 1-0 Spurs: Three Tottenham Talking Points

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1. Not A Particularly Bad Showing

Due to my commitment with the other team in North London (Enfield Town, for avoidance of doubt), I found myself in the dubious position of sitting down to watch a recording of the Spurs game after the event, when already fully aware of the final score. Not really an approach I’d bang drums and blow whistles for, but a necessary evil from time to time. Happens to all of us occasionally, I suppose.

Being aware of the outcome, I therefore braced myself for something stodgy and insipid. The defeat away to Palace was the sort of template I had in mind, or the draw with Fulham perhaps. One of those bland shindigs, in which our heroes mooch around looking like a football match in the middle of their calendar is a most frightful inconvenience.

And while I suppose one might argue that this was a triumph for setting low bars, nevertheless as I watched the thing unfold, I was less underwhelmed than I’d expected to be, if you follow.

Now admittedly, it was hardly our finest hour. We did, after all, lose and fail to score. At the same time, this wasn’t one of those dreadful affairs that can prompt a spot of banging of fists down on tables and some meaningful finger-pointing.

I don’t doubt there are plenty in lilywhite who have spent the last day yelling into the nearest megaphone that they want the head of the manager and pronto, but as performances go I thought we merited a draw. It might not exactly have been title-winning stuff, but I thought our lot did well enough that if they had finished up with the takings, the wider world would have accepted it without too much complaint.

I suppose that on seeing we had lost one-nil I expected us barely to get out of our own half. Instead, with a bit more care in the final third we would have the usual handful goals. One might reasonably have expected young Johnson to strike oil with one of his two or three chances; while at the other end Fraser Forster might have been advised to pack a good book, such was his level of involvement.

Not that it will silence the Ange Out brigade, and on results alone there remains every reason to roll up the sleeves and crack on with some prime chuntering; but at AANP Towers the view remains that the wider context counts for more than the current, wild jumble of wins and losses. And by ‘wider context’ I mean injuries, and squad depth, and judging the style of play once a fit-for-purpose squad actually has a stab at it. It would be a bit thick to elbow out the fellow while the squad is falling apart at the seams with fresh maladies.

2. The Art of Midfield Tackling

It was pretty much in keeping with things yesterday that Forest scored their goal by interrupting when our lot when on the attack. One moment our heroes were busily scouting the final third for unguarded entry-points, the next they were picking the ball out from Forster’s net, and giving the old bean a bit of a scratch while at it.

The goal itself was pretty straightforward stuff, one delicious ball from Gibbs-White in between centre-back and full-back doing the trick. One doesn’t see Destiny Udogie outpaced too often, but there it was, in full technicolour. I don’t normally pass on an opportunity to furrow the brow and shove a couple of guilty defenders in the dock, but in this instance there was no wider catastrophe at play amongst our back-four. Udogie was outpaced, and that was that.

In the build-up to the goal, however, I was a little less generous. In this instance it was Djed Spence who erred, in muddling his feet, dwelling a second too long and having the ball spirited away from him. At the time it seemed harmless enough, he occupying coordinates only a few yards outside the Forest penalty area, but if life has taught me anything over the last few days, it is that there is a pretty strong causal link between Spurs losing the ball on the edge of the opposition area and finding themselves defending for their lives within the blink of an eye.

However, I don’t really point the finger at Spence. Even allowing for a couple of daft yellow cards, I thought he once again looked impressive enough (and he does a better job of the defending part of the job than Senor Porro).

The part that grates over here is this business of tackles in the middle third. More specifically, we seem susceptible to them ourselves, as Spence amongst several others demonstrated yesterday, but I’ll be absolutely dashed if I can remember any of our lot ever winning possession with a midfield tackle.

I don’t mean the high press, which our lot tend to execute like seasoned pros. A tip of the cap in that area.

I mean the good, old-fashioned tackle to win possession in midfield. When our lot bob about and try to tiptoe their way about the place, it seems as likely as not that the whole merry expedition will be brought to a shuddering halt by some beefy opposition leg, upending our player and hooking away the ball, leaving the inevitable writhing bag of limbs on the ground and outrage amongst teammates at the lack of free-kick.

But I ask you, when was the last time you saw anyone in lilywhite execute any sort of tackle of similar merit? Bissouma throws in one or two per game, and if I scrunch up the eyes and concentrate I can imagine Udogie bundling over an opponent within the confines of the law; but aside from those, it’s a pretty blank scoreboard. Of unsubtle ‘tactical’ fouls there’s a whole plethora. Solid, meaty, fair tackles, however, is a pretty bare cupboard.

As mentioned, Bissouma seems to have something along those lines on his Job Description, but none of the other midfield sorts seems really to go in for that sort of thing. Bentancur, Maddison, Begvall, Sarr, Kulusevski – they have various talents between them, and some rather topping. Tackling, alas, sits a long way down each of their lists.

And while one might suggest that tactical set-up and whatnot ought to negate the need for too much desperate lunging, the sight of Gibbs-White charging 50 yards utterly unopposed, from deep within his own half to deep within ours, before setting up their goal, had me slapping an exasperated thigh. ‘Tackle the man!’ was the delicate translation of my observations.

Perhaps this is one to lay at the door of Our Glorious Leader, because having thrown men forward, when Gibbs-White turned over possession and ran, each of Bentancur, Dragusin, Gray and Udogie turned and raced back towards their own goal rather than towards him, with no other colleagues available to scurry across and throw in a delaying boot. That is to say, the tactical setup seems to mean that when all jobs have been delegated, not one amongst our number is ever tasked with closing down an opponent running straight at our back-line with the ball.

Alternatively, though, the absence of any inclination to tackle seems utterly embedded within the fabric of the club. No matter what the era or who the personnel, there always seems to be a pretty open invitation for all-comers to stroll straight through the heart of our midfield.

3. Individuals

In keeping with a general performance that struck me as passable enough, the individual constituent parts were also, by and large, in 6 out of 10 territory.

Kulusevski seemed the font of most creativity, albeit he veered off to the right a bit too much for my liking. Gray again looked thoroughly competent in a position one keeps having to remind oneself is pretty alien to him; Dragusin marginally less so. Maddison seemed eager to make things happen when introduced, and Bergvall again reinforced the impression that he was created from the harvested DNA of Bentancur. And Sonny once more looked a little off-colour.

I yelped a few impatient oaths at the screen in the first half when our heroes repeatedly over-complicated things in the final third, particularly in the first half. Starting in the very first minute, in fact, when Kulusevski opted for a pass that was too clever by half, rather than putting his head down, shoving aside all interfering thoughts and having a crack at goal.

This particular irritation made itself felt at various points in the first half, but even despite that our lot still made enough chances to eke out a goal or two.

If the Liverpool defeat were something of a free hit, against the best team around, this was infinitely more vexing, make no mistake. Still, even with a decimated back-line I fancy our lot to score against most opponents, beginning with Wolves. Just a question of whether we outscore the other lot. Four goals ought to be enough, don’t you think?

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11 replies on “Forest 1-0 Spurs: Three Tottenham Talking Points”

Are injuries really to blame for the worst half-season in some 20 years? Maybe an injury-hit squad needs to play rather differently? Imagine if we’d drawn five of the matches we’ve lost. This manic hi-pressing with no thought to managing risks can never work. How many more absurd examples do we need?

We’ll never know one way or the other I suppose, but my answer to your first question is – yes.
An answer to the second question could quite legitimately be yes as well.
There’s a lot more nuance and tactics and all that lovely stuff of course, but presumably if we stop attacking as much we won’t hit City, Utd, Villa etc for 3 or 4; and presumably we won’t concede 4 to Chelsea, and 6 to Liverpool. Whether the outcome away to Forest would be any different is debatable. Yesterday’s defeat seemed more to do with players running on fumes than gung-ho tactics backfiring.

Random question btw – would we prefer to be Nuno’s Forest than Ange’s Spurs? I’ve obviously nailed my colours to a particular mast on that one, but curious to see where all ye good folk stand.

I hate to say it but Son has become our weakest link in attack. He can still turn a game but it has become much rarer over the last two seasons and perhaps he will need to be moved on during the summer. Saying this makes me feel like I’m betraying the great guy but he isn’t the future for this team. He’ll always be loved as much as Greaves, Kane, Perryman and Mabutt but the time has probably come now.

MichaelB’s point is valid. Sonny no longer tries to beat his man out on the wing. It is rare to see him do a ‘ Ronaldesque ‘ leg waving dance with shoulder drops before beating his man and whipping in a super cross. And how often now does he drift towards the edge of the box before unleashing a top corner rocket. It’s almost as if he can’t be bothered. Is he carrying some secret injury ? Is he bereft of all confidence ? Has he lost all his reactions ? I think he still has useful pace. The big question is without him, would we be worse off – I think we would at the mo, although our young injured French chap Odobert ( apologies if I spelt his name incorrectly ) might be quite a gem once he emerges from our hospital.

Would I want us to be more like Forest – no way – do we have to keep quoting Danny Blanchflower? Brian Clough used to say something about ‘not being able to play without the ball’ – that’s not a mantra that Nuno’s team cares about.
For me it is all a bit unsatisfactory though…I am starting to lose faith in Ange. Watching so many games with the same thoughts running through my mind ‘what’s going on?’ ‘what’s wrong?’ I have to watch all games on TV and would be interested to know how much time the cameras spend focused on Ange’s face & general lack of expression?
So I am now concerning myself about Ange’s coaches box activity & capacity:
I cannot recall him going for a discussion with his coaches on the bench during the game. He never makes written notes. This differentiates him from the younger coaches we admire – does it signal something?
Mind you he doesn’t run down the touchline for a kneeslide which I applaud.
He has erred by keeping Spence out so long, he has a very limited rotation policy and he is not introducing youth sufficiently to be able to rely on the younger players to be useful by putting in a 30 minute shift every other game. Gray & Bergvall are both – like Spence – players with decent experience in the Men’s game (if not EPL) – even though he has little choice but to pick Gray (a great talent and hopefully a 1st team starter for years to come) these days, he is very stingy with minutes for Bergvall – who imo -also impresses when he gets a chance with his confidence & capability on the ball, running power and determination.
He is starting to look for excuses – the length of injury list is valid but not so important as 3 missing defenders. The idea that we can buy some extra cover or something to help us through in January is very much wishful thinking. We should have more youth prepared to help out, and maybe thought a bit more deeply before we sent the likes of Donley out on loan.
I am also of the mind that it’s time for Sonny to move on – he is a legend and we don’t want to see his slide to mediocrity in a Spurs shirt. He’s not the only one who should be moving on before next year.

It is so frustrating when we dominate but can’t score while in other games we are less dominant, but put three or four away. I’m sticking with Ange for now, certainly unless and until things get really grim. I want to see out this experiment fully, rather than quit at what I feel is half way through. I thought Bentancur was low energy and added little – I’d like to see Bergvall get more starts. I also add my voice to those claiming Sonny is past his best… but the main alternative seems to be Timo. Putting Kulu wide right and Johnson wide left is not our best formation… likewise playing Madders far left. It’s a bit of a conundrum… and then of course there’s the shirt sales. Better get the replacement Korean up and running ASAP!

We can’t try to replace Sonny with Werner – surely we have seen enough to send him back asap. Odobert and the new Korean youngster seem earmarked as Sonny replacements. Mikey Moore can also play off the left but hopefully will be replacing BJ on the right ver soon. For the future we have an excellent prospect in the Academy in Tynan Thompson – not to mention Luca Barnett-Williams who is much in the Mikey Moore mould. My argument is that it is impossible to buy slot-in replacements and we need to have a sensible policy for getting Academy stars introduced to Senior football and I don’t believe sitting on the bench week in week out (like Will Lankshear) is a sensible or productive policy. I hate to think what’s going to become of Dane Scarlett and I sincerely hope that we get Jamie Donley into 1st team football next season

Belated comment I’m afraid AANP – what with Christmas and dropped points coming thick and fast – but I agree totally with the point about the absence of midfield tackling. As you say, our lot go straight into retreat-panic mode.
Hmm. Angeball = cautiously retain possession, until we don’t; then hare back. Er, bring on Tamworth.

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