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Palace 1-0 Spurs: Three Tottenham Talking Points

1. A Rotten Performance

I’m not inclined to believe too many of George Orwell’s footballing opinions, he having been a fan of the Woolwich, but he certainly stumbled upon one truth when he rambled on about all defeats being equal but some being more equal than others (or something close to that). For AANP will accept some losses with a pretty casual shrug of the shoulders – the 2-1 defeat at Newcastle for example, or the 1-1 at Leicester (which no doubt pedants will point out wasn’t a defeat, letting technicalities get in the way of a good argument).

And the reason for such equanimity in the face of defeat is that if it’s the sort of game in which our heroes could reasonably have expected to score four or five, but somehow only managed one, then AANP will not be too concerned, as more often than not those sort of performances will bring wins.

Yesterday’s, however, was a different kettle of fish altogether, and as a result the usual sunny AANP disposition has clouded over like the dickens. Had we hammered away at the Palace goal only to be sucker-punched against the run of play, there would have been merely a philosophical rumination or two over the evening bourbon. “Onwards”, would have been the gist of the dialogue. Not the end of the world. Not too many adjustments needed.

But this was not one of those occasions.

I thought that by and large, our lot stank the place out yesterday. There may have been a token show of resistance in the final 20, but anything other than a Palace would win would have been quite the misrepresentation of events. The energy of their attacking mob in pressing us in and around our own penalty area frankly put us to shame. The Palace players simply seemed infinitely more motivated.

By contrast, the approach of most in lilywhite smacked of a dubious concoction that, from my vantage point, appeared to be approximately one third complacency and two thirds absence of interest. This calculating of the proportions occurred as I watched our defensive cohort dozily gift the ball to Palace before reaching the halfway line for about the hundredth time in that dreadful first half, the mindset seeming to be that it was simply too much like hard work on a sunny Sunday afternoon to get the head down and buzz about the place with any semblance of diligence. Far easier, was the impression given, simply to waft a pass into the loose vicinity of a teammate, and let the two clubs’ respective league positions take care of the rest.

In order to make this point crystal clear, our heroes conceded a goal that exemplified in one neat take all that was wrong about their performance. Romero dwelt on the ball inside his own area for an age despite the looming presence of two Palace forwards, before declaring that this sort of fare was beneath him, and casually floating a pass across his own area and into the loose radius of VDV.

In mitigation, VDV did not give the air of one who was delighted to be in receipt of a pass bouncing across his body inside his own area, but even he then passed on the opportunity simply to clear the thing, instead allowing the ball to continue bouncing and then deciding that this was as good a moment as any to stop focusing on the game and instead start dwelling on some of life’s other, unrelated mysteries.

The Palace laddie in attendance was only too pleased to let VDV have his quiet time, and generously relieved him of the ball so he could really crack on without distraction. The next stage in the disaster was the input of the cross from the right, Messrs Romero and Porro admirably deciding that this was an appropriate cue for them to give some semblance of concern, but without checking on what the other was doing, or indeed on the whereabouts of the most prolific Palace striker on the pitch (Mateta). Instead, both rushed towards the ball and young Eze, who promptly took both of them out of the game with a flick towards the aforementioned Mateta, who himself then took advantage of the freedom of the six-yard box to score.

As mentioned, if the self-inflicted genesis of all this had been anomalous and out of keeping with general proceedings I’d have done a quick tour of the place with rallying cries of “Chin up, gents, what?” and encouraging ruffles of the hair. But instead I folded the arms and adopted the unamused expression of a bulldog that’s just chewed a wasp. AANP was deeply unamused.

The incompetence in playing out from the back continued religiously, laced with our chronic inability to win a 50-50 challenge, and by the second half Palace were shooting from all angles, and really ought to have added to their lead.

Oddly enough we nevertheless fashioned two or three presentable chances of our own in each half, but the rhythm of the piece was firmly established long before the credits rolled, and even had we slunk out of South London with a point the AANP mood would have been one best avoided.

At whom the finger of blame should point is therefore the next question, and while the players undoubtedly deserve a docking of extortionate wages and some brief but memorable physical admonishment to boot, Our Glorious Leader also needs a few stern words aimed in his direction.

I’m firmly in the Postecoglou camp, as there has been enough to suggest we should handsomely beat most teams, and do so entertainingly, but the mentality about the place emanates from the top, and if the players on the pitch are simply mooching their way through 90 minutes without urgency or care then a jabbing of an angry towards the manager is only right. Win another seven of our next eight and AANP will be content enough, but frequent displays of this impotence and the disapproving eyebrow will be well and truly arched.

2. Mikey Moore: The Sequel

I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced the talkies, but AANP finds them a most riveting form of entertainment, and if there happens to be an evening without football will quite often seek one out to pass the time. And one aspect of these motion pictures that I’ve noticed is that if one of them constitutes a thoroughly entertaining two-or-so hours, the boffins behind such fare will sure enough paste together another one for general consumption, but – and here’s the rub – more often than not, the sequel will not match the original for quality.

There are, of course, exceptions. Terminator 2 and Aliens, I would suggest, stand peerlessly in the AANP pantheon of greats, and both are sequels that arguably top the original. But for every Terminator 2 there’s a Die Hard 2 – or, come to think of it a Terminator 3, 4, 5 or 6 – viz. a sequel that comes nowhere near the thrilling quality of the first.

And it was armed with this knowledge that AANP peered cautiously over the teamsheet and drank in the inclusion of Mikey Moore as a starter. Because, for the benefit of those who have been living under an N17 rock the last four or five days, young Master M’s left-wing bow against AZ in midweek had been about as spiffing as this sort of thing gets, all youthful exuberance and slaloming runs, and a decent amount of end-product too for good measure.

It would have been pretty tempting therefore, to expect the same and more yesterday, from the off. Make oneself comfortable and feast the eyes upon another Mikey Moore highlights reel, would go the narrative.

Knowing what I know about sequels, however, I demonstrated what generations hence will respectfully term admirable restraint, and duly convinced myself that perhaps only nineteen of every twenty attempted dribbles by the lad would result in havoc in the Palace defence and wild applause from the travelling lilywhite continent.

It would be easy to castigate MM’s performance, it having failed to bear fruit and having ended with his unceremonious abstraction on 60 minutes, but despite one pointed concession of possession in the first half that almost brought Palace some joy down their right, I thought he was one of our best performers in the first half. The bar here is admittedly so low that passing earthworms would pause and consider the odds, but nevertheless, I maintain that he fared pretty well when opportunity allowed.

On a couple of occasions he set off infield and beat a two or three players before being hacked to earth; and on a couple of other occasions he played well weighted passes into space on the left for Udogie and Maddison to race onto. That was admittedly pretty much it in terms of his highlights reel, but with everyone else in lilywhite generally misfiring I thought that this constituted a decent enough contribution. Nowhere near the level of the original, but taken on its own it had some memorable moments. Predator 2, if you will.

As a curious aside, and in the interests of fairness, I also thought that Herr Werner made a decent stab of things once he emerged from exile. While not exactly rip-roaring he did cause his opposing full-back a few problems, and also swung in a couple of crosses that arguably deserved better than simply disappearing down the gullet of the ‘keeper. I mention this purely because I bang on about the chap every time he stuffs things up in front of goal. Only fair, what?

3. Richarlison

There were not too many other notable contributions, most individuals fitting neatly within the stale, all-encompassing headline of the dreary team performance. Pedro Porro showed his attacking chops, in the second half in particular, reminding me that deep within his Angeball-moulded, inverted model there lies a traditional, touchline-hugging full-back. Solanke continues to show more value around halfway than in the opposition area. Any good that Bissouma did with ball at his feet seemed to me to be negated by his inability to provide useful protection when we were out of possession (in marked contrast to that Wharton lad for Palace, who would be advised to make a living out of snuffing out opposition attacks at source).

But one depressing thought that sprung to mind was that Richarlison is simply not up to the level we require. Why this thought chose yesterday to worm its way into my consciousness is anyone’s guess – yesterday’s was hardly his worst showing in lilywhite, and the unfortunate young chestnut is still short of match fitness and whatnot. More pertinently, there were at least a dozen others who underwhelmed massively and have had far more chances to prove themselves good enough.

But watching him scurry enthusiastically before finally missing his kick, or overhitting his kick, or in some other way failing to execute effectively the kicking part of football, just made me realise that we’ve persevered with him for quite some time now, and he’s not really improved a jot since Day One.

At some point last season – I think the point at which he inadvertently trod on the ball on halfway and fell over – it was suggested to me that he might have the worst technique of any Brazilian footballer in history. Now I must confess to having lacked the willpower to conduct the research necessary to verify that claim; but the gist has stuck with me. His touch is pretty off, what?

I have in the past peddled the line that one Harry Kane has an oddly poor touch – by which I mean that if you subject him to inspection you’ll note that the ball regularly bounces off him as if it were being thrown against a wall – but this is more than compensated for by his extraordinary goalscoring, range of passing, ability to shield the ball, winning of free-kicks, ability with both feet, ability with head, penalty-taking and various other assets. Richarlison, however, seems to possess much of the wall, but precious few of those redeeming features.

It certainly made sense to throw on a second striker yesterday, one understood the logic inside and out. And Richarlison does have physical presence, and fits neatly within the prescribed system of pressing high and expending bundles of energy. But give him the ball, or ask him to go fetch, and things start to break down. And amidst everything else that went wrong yesterday, I became aware of the notion that I had had rather enough of the wretched fellow.

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20 replies on “Palace 1-0 Spurs: Three Tottenham Talking Points”

All fine. But you miss the point. WHY was this so awful? Ange becoming the problem?

Simply getting outfought by a lower-placed team has been part of our DNA in the decades I’ve been watching, which is not to excuse it. I warbled on at one point in my post that the mentality comes from above, so if the players were complacent and/or unfussed (and they appeared to be) then the blame for this one ultimately lies with Ange. However, this apathy is unusual under him – normally when we lose these days it’s because of the high line.
An article in The Athletic suggested that Spurs need to learn how to ‘win ugly’ – one understands and presumably agrees with the sentiment, but one can immediately imagine Our Glorious Leader dismissing it with “It’s who we are, mate”.

As always you captured pretty much everything worth noting AANP – thanks for your superb scribe!

We were totally useless, could have blamed too many games but most of the players got rotated for AZ. Without wanting to turn on individuals, Maddison lost his mojo so far back now that I’m struggling to remember when he made a real creative difference in a match. Romero often lapses nowadays, perhaps he’s lost his too since he stopped tackling with his studs in the air.

Palace clearly did their research (not hard really) and shut us down every time Vicario did his short passes out. Our players decided that passing the ball to each other wasn’t worth the effort so gave it to the high press opposition as much as they could. Palace played our game better than we could. I was begging at one point for us to do a Dier and boot the ball up the pitch rather than try to play it out but I saw two instances of that and both ended with Palace in possession attacking us again. Palace played the dark arts well, deliberately scrappy, loads of time-wasting etc.

Credit where credit is due though, Eze was rather good. However, I suspect if we had bought him like we were meant to during the summer he would have played as crap as the rest of the team on the day.

As a lifelong Spurs fan I’m starting to think our current league position might be all we can genuinely hope for – the Ange experiment has been interesting but, in reality, I’m now doubting myself on whether I would truly sacrifice winning to get entertainment. If Conte had won just one cup (even the Rumbelows Cup will do) then he would be a Spurs folk hero forever.

Very kind of you Mr B, thank you.
Your Eze comment made me chuckle, seems almost certain, doesn’t it?

Not sure about the Conte cup thing. I’m not sure that Juande Ramos is remembered fondly by many… and nor will Ten Hag be at Utd

Yes, you’ve said it all, including Herr Werner,s entry. Second best in everything. Cuti,s cross penalty box pass would get a bollocking from onlookers on Hackney Marshes let alone from a world cup winner.

Was it complacency? Playing the “poorest” team in the league, 2-0 up at half time v Brighton. Has to come back to the manager. He needs to sort them out quick b4 Citeh and Villa (who I watched last week and thought were brilliant) turn up.

Genuinely intrigued to see how we fare vs Villa, that would be an excellent win if we can find one. (Suspect City will play their second-string, so would hope we beat turn them over)

Although Timo put in a better shift than normal last night, I was shocked to see this as a headline tonight:

“Exclusive: £200,000-a-Week Tottenham Star ‘Likely to Leave in Summer'”

I have three talking points on on that headline:
1. £200k/week – surely that’s wrong?
2. “Likely” is used – that has to be “definitely” doesn’t it?
3. “Summer” – must be “Winter” shirley?

Maybe I should be less kean to believe what I read but Ange maintains his faith regardless. I wish I had a boss like him!

Would agree 100% were it not for the fact that I thought you were a little harsh on Die Hard2.
Personally I thought Odobert had a great little cameo against Alkmaar and is premiership battle hardened… shame he didn’t get on. But that’s a small point. A bigger one is that I fear Romero’s head may be in Madrid. Whatever is going on, that stank as you say, and Ange needs to sort the malaise in morale that seemed to affect all of them. It was a deeply disturbing performance in that sense

The biggest concern for me is the lack of effort, when it was the first away game after the capitulation at Brighton, which happened due to cockiness at being 2-0 up and the subsequent lack of effort in the second half. The amount of ‘we have to learn from this’ interviews that Son (I know he didn’t play in either game, but using as an example) and others give makes me wonder if they all suffer from learning difficulties. YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE TO LEARN THAT YOU NEED TO TRY YOUR BEST.

Another concern is the lack of leadership and personality in our team, who appear to have been coached into robots. Watching us constantly try to play out from goal kicks on a deliberately doctored dry and slow pitch, while Palace’s forwards eagerly waited to pounce like hungry lions, was embarrassing and pathetic. We did not break their press once. And not once did we try to go long to Solanke who, being decent in the air, would have won his fair share of aerial balls against their CBs, which may have opened up space further up the pitch, or at the very least given their pressers something else to think about by mixing things up. Romero, captain for the day, looked so disinterested, and I’m sure that rubbed off on the other players. The other captain option is Maddison, who isn’t someone that’s going to dig you out of a hole. Son, who leads with his pressing and work rate, also disappears far too often, and there’s no real leader who can shake a few heads and get the players going. The only two we have are possibly Vicario and Kulusevski, and I would look at shaking up the ‘leadership team’ or buying a born leader in the transfer window.

And then there’s the substitutions…
Ange didn’t make them until we were 3-2 down at Brighton, and even then he waited, stating that he wanted to change the mentality. It sort of made sense to me, as I thought that there would be a huge attitude shift afterwards, and the 3 points sacrificed would be a turning point. The upcoming international break didn’t help to get that across, and possibly had a hand in the pathetic second-half performance, but there was a reaction against West Ham, and I expected that to continue at Palace. But we were absolutely woeful from start to finish. We were outfought, outthought, and we didn’t win any high turnovers that I remember, while giving the ball away countless times.

And when it was time to change things, Ange’s substitutions were baffling. Deki had a poor game, his first for a while, and I do think he was affected by the forearm to the head he received in the first half. He looked quite dizzy afterwards, and maybe should have gone off, which would have solidified the midfield as it clearly wasn’t working with two 10s in there as we couldn’t beat the press, so Maddison was dropping so deep into areas he shouldn’t be, when he should be trying to find pockets of space further up the pitch, which would have been there as their forwards were pushing up so high, and Romero is usually good at finding the space, but Maddison wasn’t there. He really needs to stop doing this, work on his movement, and trust his team mates to find him, so that he can be in positions to hurt teams. But the subs, when they came, removed every ounce of creativity that we had, bar Porro, and left us with a disjointed mess that was never going to create anything. We didn’t even give them a scary few minutes, which most PL teams seem to do at the very least.

It could have been worse. Vicario bailed us out as usual with a few smart saves. Yes, we had a few chances early on that we didn’t take, but after that, and especially after the goal, there was absolutely nothing.

I don’t like picking on individuals, but without an aging Son our wide options are woeful. I don’t include Mikey Moore in that, obviously, but in general our wide players create so little. Brennan Johnson does absolutely nothing. His contributions are solely dependent upon what happens on the other side of the pitch that he can get on the end of, and if there’s nothing doing you may as well take him off, as he can’t/won’t make anything happen himself. If he receives the ball while stationary, you just know that he’s not going to do anything but go backwards. I honestly think that Werner would do a better job on that side rather than on the left. Although he can get to the byline and cross, he is obviously uncomfortable angling in on goal, as are Johnson and Richarlison when they play on the left. But on the right, if he can angle his runs as well as he does on the left. He can just run in on goal, on his comfortable foot, and not have to think about anything but getting a shot away across the keeper, and he’ll also try to take on the full back, which BJ rarely tries to do, and never succeeds.
I don’t get why Ange doesn’t see it. In the first half against AZ Alkmaar, he played Werner on the left and Mikey Moore on the right, when both are uncomfortable playing in those positions. What was his thinking? Moore went to the left in the second half and was outstanding, but Werner got hooked.

Anyway, that’s my rant over. Our away record over the past 12 months is woeful, and our record in London derbies under Ange is even worse. Our win record under Ange against decent teams is also poor, but the stats point to improvement in lots of areas. True, we should have more points than we do, and lack of ruthlessness in front of goal is why we don’t, and that’s on the board for buying potential instead of proven players, as is the issue with all of our managers, but when the effort goes you tend to worry that the players have stopped buying into what Ange wants to do. I guess we’ll see over the coming weeks…

Spurs traditionally have not done well in weeks they’ve had to play two games, and this week was no exception. Postecoglou seemed to be addressing this from the start by platooning during his first preseason. Unfortunately, this happy notion didn’t survive the Kane sale. The sad fact is that Postecoglou has been betrayed both by his own bullheadedness by refusing to make in-game defensive adjustments and by Levy who has signally failed to replace Kane for him and whose current infatuation with Amanda Staveley is, beyond being a fatal financial mistake, a significant vote of no confidence in his manager. It’s obvious in retrospect Levy never expected to get more than two years out of him (he never does). However, nobody expected Eddie Howe in his place. Abandon hope, all ye who enter Tottenham Hotspur Stadium; far sweeter to dwell in the ghostly hallows of White Hart Lane…

Hello
Enjoy reading your posts. Do you have the one from Jan 1st 2008 Villa v Spurs. Pretty sure that was the first one I ever read.

Thank you kindly; but are you sure about that date? Pretty sure the first I penned was after the 4-4 at the Emirates, which apparently was Oct 2008.
(In case of interest by the by, looking into publishing last season in its entirety as a cheap stocking-filler for Christmas)

Your articulation I find (especially) upon a defeat is pretty good and with much humour. I’ll be honest I don’t support your team, I am a football fan first, my home town team 2nd but my brother in law and nephew do (Spurs STH) but I really love reading your stuff.

Very kind of you to say so, and I’m particularly chuffed that you follow the blog as a non-Spurs man. Can I assume from your previous comment that you’re Villa?

I am a Villa fan yes. But the love I feel for my team I see in your writing for your team. I also read your stuff to gain an insight (from your perspective) of other teams when you play them and share the same contempt for the teams in red and their fans. I was lucky enough to visit your shiny new stadium and wow.

Commiserations on the game today – for half of it you seemed to have the measure of my lot.

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